OP uniform requirements discussion

[nyghtbringer]

So here is a question. If I were to show up at an OP (any OP) that had "uniform requirements" and did not have one of the uniforms required, How often would I be "turned away"?

not specifying any specific reasons why I dont atm.

[DYNOMUT]

I have not been to a game yet that would turn anyone away. Of course that could change but it would be douchebaggish if you ask me.

(hey I invented a word)

[cloakndagger]

I dont remember ever having to turn anyone away for any reason, but as far as uniform, id think youd be stuck either in your jeans or on the other team. Realy the op admin has the final say, but this is why we use the forum, so we can work it out before it becomes a problem. In my opinion though if you purposely show up in incorrect uniform, after threatening to do it on the forum and being warned by other members, you should be forced to change into the correct uniform or leave. Its the same as disobeying eye pro rules or med rules on purpose... sooo.... id just not do it

Ps, if you have a wardrobe malfunction and your only options are sport your deadrag skivvies or wear incorrect uniform, id say disobeying uniform reqs is acceptable and suggested

[ssg]

If you ask me, uniform regulations fit in with the entire fit people continue to have about "props". Uniforms, per airsoft, are props; just as a truck or trailer or whatnot would be considered props. Sure, we can just let people wear whatever they want and tie little red and blue bands around their arms to signify what teams they were on, but then what would be the point of having a backstory or plot to the whole game anyway? If we don't want uniform requirements, let's just make every single game in the state of Mississippi a big pick-up game? No real objectives, no real props, no real story. Just running around outside and shooting each other with BB guns.

When I write scenarios up for games, I intentionally try to make the uniform restrictions as lenient as plausible. I understand that not everybody has the proper camouflage for SF or Rangers or contractors or the Marines or al-Qieda or whoever. (Moreover, according to the book "Kill Bin Laden," Delta Force members on the hunt for Osama bin Laden were only required to wear matching camouflaged tops so as to be easily recognizable to each other.) I try to make it to where to be on the "Allied" side, all you need is a camouflage top - and not a specific pattern, either. And to be on the "Bad Guy" side all you need is regular civilian clothes. It's not that demanding, if you ask me.

Granted, in the Hammer Dawn post, I screwed up and didn't catch a mistake about the uniforms. It took me reading it another couple of times to actually catch it. I again apologize for the inconvenience.

However, if there were explicit guidelines on uniform requirements for the game - even in the simplest forms - and they were not questioned or asked about on the forum, and you just decided to show up, neglecting the uniform requirements as a whole, I would be irritated. Would I turn you away? I'd be tempted. But for the sake of airsoft - not you - I would probably stick you on a team and call you a straggler or contractor or something like that.

[$parky $hindig]

So you would be "irritated" at a newbie who showed up not knowing there were camo reqs? That's just a little asshattish. Camo reqs should be renamed camo options. if anyone requires me to wear a certain thing, or tells me I cant wear a certain thing, I'm going to get angry.

[nyghtbringer]

ok. now that we have had some input. let me give you a reason I ask.

i have camo. top and bottom. the reason i use camo is that I would rather not mess up my regular clothes. I consider my camo a part of my gear. I also only have 1 set of camo. I'm hoping to be able to get a different pattern of pants and an OD top soon.

so, I would rather NOT wear civies if i didnt have to.

[ARGYLE ASSASSIN]

As far as requiring camo, I'm all for it if the game is going to be more than defend the base.  But if the op is nothing more than a glorified pickup game than don't complain about someone not wearing the specific camo. However, I don't see why anyone is complaining about the camo requirements for this game. Everyone knows you have a full set of camo so don't think we're going to make fun of you for not having the full set of camo, and if you don't want to mess up your fancy designer jeans, go to walmart, spend twenty bucks on some jeans and get over it.

[ssg]

So you would be "irritated" at a newbie who showed up not knowing there were camo reqs? That's just a little asshattish. Camo reqs should be renamed camo options. if anyone requires me to wear a certain thing, or tells me I cant wear a certain thing, I'm going to get angry.

Read again, please. If you show up and completely neglect the requirements by being all "stickittotheman" about it, yes, I'd be irritated. Instead of getting angry about requirements, just don't go. It'll save you precious minutes of happiness.

Personally, I only wear my ACUs when I'm getting paid to wear them, and that has never been whilst playing airsoft. I enjoy running around wearing my regular jeans and a t-shirt to play BB gun wars. While I would enjoy being on the American team in many games, I don't wear camo for airsoft, so I end up playing the bad guys. And I'm fine with that.

[nyghtbringer]

As far as requiring camo, I'm all for it if the game is going to be more than defend the base.  But if the op is nothing more than a glorified pickup game than don't complain about someone not wearing the specific camo. However, I don't see why anyone is complaining about the camo requirements for this game. Everyone knows you have a full set of camo so don't think we're going to make fun of you for not having the full set of camo, and if you don't want to mess up your fancy designer jeans, go to walmart, spend twenty bucks on some jeans and get over it.

my jeans arent designer. but money's real tight for me atm. got a baby due in the next 2 months. so I'd like to keep my walmart jeans half way decent. I'd rather tear up my camo pants. its why i got them.

my question was whether or not people get turned away for not following the "camo requirements".

[cloakndagger]

I dont think it hurts anything, whether you have "options " or reqs, or not, but i do think it adds to the game experience. But pretty much, if you dont like it, well we probably arent gonna make ya play. As said before though, if youre gonna purposely violate any rule you run a good chance of getting on the wrong side of the game admins and your fellow airsofters.. sure its cool to be billy bada$$ sometimes, but there comes a point where it will bite you more than make you cool. I would warn anyone pursuing this route though. Other forums and states may not be leniant at all and ive heard of some organizations the will turn you away from games if you violate the reqs, no matter if it makes sense at all.  My suggestion would be, if you have a camo issue, or an issue with the camo, ask the game planners, admins. No sense in making a mountain into a molehill, its just a game lol. Nyght, i understand whacha mean bout the jeans lol.  Ssg, youre right it is fun and comfortable to play in street clothes, and no biggie bout the camo posting for hammer, its very understandable. Sooo.. back to where we started, here in dsa, we probably arent gonna turn you away because your camo is wrong unless you purposely wore incorrect camo to start some drama. It would be preferrable if you cant meet the req, talk to the admin so they can work around it.

[DYNOMUT]

I was meaning mainly newbs who show up and don't really know what's going on yet. I personally don't know or have met any one who would purposefully go against op rules or camo restrictions. I think the problem with camo restrictions come when people can't afford several different load outs.

[cloakndagger]

I hear ya brutha mutt, i dont imagine us ever having a problem, but if you dont have the right cammo for a side or game, and youre on here just drop the admin a line so they can deal with it. Lol jve been in that situation before

[BARRICADE]

MY 2 cents....

This topic was not pointed to just any one OP was it?  Just as a OP in General type question correct?

As a Operation Planner from time to time, I know that it can be frustrating with the Camo requirements...  The Biggest Problem is sides getting Overloaded because say Woodland Camo is very popular.  On the other hand, I do not like doing the Armbands.  I hate to ask people to be on a side that they had no intensions of playing on.  Other Game Admins will not let you walk on the field of a "MILSIM" event with out meeting the Guidelines.   The only reason they have to be strict is because if they start mixing camo on different sides people get confused.  There is a reason that Dark VS Lights works....  But then again, Sides get overloaded still.  

To me this is the biggest headache for events.  The biggest reason BOA games have not been as strict is because we dont have the big turnouts like we used to.  Granted they are almost there but when we have 50+ People, Camo has to be strict.  NOW when I say strict, One side will have a Set CAMO "Professional look" and the other side is everything else.  It is really cool when the Teams can go to the extreme of what origin they are playing.  9 out of 10 times, it will not happen.

NEWBIES:
This is a tough one.  If someone that plays airsoft is bringing a friend it is their responsibility to make sure their friend doesnt stand out.  As for the others that walk in on there own, this is when they are placed on the team with less requirements.  We as OP planners have to leave room for people that come listed in this category.    We have been posting games on Facebook and are beginning to see some guest.  These people have to be welcomed and not run off.  Everyone was a NOOB and some point.  

[DYNOMUT]

I agree with most of what barricade said especially about newbs. I also agree that op organizers should have a  plan for the few people who show up out of "uniform"

[nyghtbringer]

This topic was not pointed to just any one OP was it?  Just as a OP in General type question correct?

yes and no Barricade.

It is a general type OP question that started b/c of the current OP issues.