HIT CALLING! READ UP!! THIS IS IMPORTANT!

[DYNOMUT]

The reason I never will endorse people calling someone elses hits at my field is simply to prevent a situation from escalating out of control. Example: Vader and swazeyghost shooting at each other instead of Vader taking the honorable route Swazey yells hey man I got you! Vader says no you didn't! Swayze says fruit you man you know I did Vader yells you wanna go! Now ladies and gentlemen a game has turned very serious because Swayze is sure he got Vader even though Vader is sure he did not get shot.

I also disagree with the wall of shame. It would be very easy for 3 friends to get someone they don't like on the wall. Even the wall of shame would come down to honor. I believe Vader has the right of it we as adults and honorable people need to lead the way and if the guy next to you is not calling his hits you need to call him on it and say buddy that's not cool. This is a hobby, for fun no money goes to the winner just good clean fun.

It is my opinion (I hate to say this in front of him) that drop dead respawn is the way to go in most circumstances because the downed player does not have to walk to Jackson to respawn.  

[echo214]

well, theres probably been a few times ive gotten hit and not realized it. with all the camo we wear, sometimes you just dont feel bbs hit you. and sometimes, you may be crawling or walking through thorns and bushes, and think thats what you felt, instead of bbs hitting you. i dont call people out for it, i just give the benefit of the doubt, and the non-benefit of eating more bbs.

[BARRICADE]

I shall call it the CHICKEN RULE!:
1st offense: Warning by ADMIN
2nd offense: Come back to vehicle area and wait 30 min - 1 hour and think about what you did.
3rd offense: Ejected from field of play.

This can only be achieved by field refs or admin(s).

I like the Wall of Shame Idea.  Only hard part is identifying people we don't know we are shooting.  Basically a DSA Hit List...Thats a temporary pat on the back of the hand.

Also we can improvise with:  If they are not calling there hits...then HIT THEM IN THE FACE WITH PLASTIC 6mm BB's.  I know we do not endorse this but it is affective...NOW IF its a kid, then we do not do this of course.  ALSO AMP up the FPS/Joules of the gun to make it bite a bit more.

[BARRICADE]

I also must say that RESPAWN walking has always been my anti-call hit.

[CREEPER™]

Fine.  I see the responses.  It's just so strange that on the forum, most of you act like it's not really a huge problem.  But during and immediately after the game, it's the NUMBER ONE COMPLAINT.  

If the majority  of you would rather turn a blind eye to the problem, that's cool.  But, I think it would be a demonstration of your conviction if you make a point to never complain about it at, or after, the games.  Thats just a suggestion.  

[DYNOMUT]

Bwahahahaha

Post of the evening nominee

[nyghtbringer]

  ALSO AMP up the FPS/Joules of the gun to make it bite a bit more.

again, I have a HUGE problem with this. to intentionally hurt people is not the goal of this 'GAME'.

here is how i resolve this issue.

1. If I have an issue with people not calling hits, let the game admin/field ref/field owner know. If you can identify the offender, even better.
2. IF I get a hot head b/c of it, walk back to the safe zone and cool down.
3. If this does not cool me down, its time to go home.

While its hard with the amount of money we put into this game, The one thing we need to remember is ITS A FRUITING GAME. BASED ON HONOR.

you can not make someone else be honorable. Only you can decide if YOU will be. 
at some point, we all accidently miss a hit. does it make us dishonorable? no.

So call your hits, report those that you think are not, and be SAFE.

upping the fps/ lowering the med is only going to get people hurt and help those that want to kill our sport.

[cloakndagger]

Guess im havin a cant see the forest for the trees moment. To up the fps wont magicaly make our guns shoot harder, to surpass what i regard as the acceptable limit of 420fps or 1.3 joules you must upgrade, and in some cases you must rebuild.. so upping the fps probably would be rendered moot by the limitations of the guns, not by us. Therefore upping fps is the least useful option in my corrected opinion. Now meds, we all break med every now and then, and ive always maintained med is a function of common sense and courtesey. If you dont wanna get shot at three feet dont shoot at three feet. The points raised about the wall of shame being a stain on our sport are also in my opinion well founded and correct so i stand there corrected as well. I still advocate parlay and ref as our best option IF NON HIT CALLING BECOMES A PROBLEM HERE, which i trust it will not because of other factors and the caliber of our members.  Alsol as dynomut has said "BACK UP AND SHOOT".... yall keep way from dem chickens now
c&d

[CREEPER™]

  ALSO AMP up the FPS/Joules of the gun to make it bite a bit more.

again, I have a HUGE problem with this. to intentionally hurt people is not the goal of this 'GAME'.

here is how i resolve this issue.

1. If I have an issue with people not calling hits, let the game admin/field ref/field owner know. If you can identify the offender, even better.
2. IF I get a hot head b/c of it, walk back to the safe zone and cool down.
3. If this does not cool me down, its time to go home.

While its hard with the amount of money we put into this game, The one thing we need to remember is ITS A FRUITING GAME. BASED ON HONOR.

you can not make someone else be honorable. Only you can decide if YOU will be. 
at some point, we all accidently miss a hit. does it make us dishonorable? no.

So call your hits, report those that you think are not, and be SAFE.

upping the fps/ lowering the med is only going to get people hurt and help those that want to kill our sport.

We DO NOT plan to up the FPS.  it was only mentioned as a deterrent or "empty threat".   Only myself, and a couple more guys actually see hit calling as a problem anyway, so we will just drop the subject.

Everyone seems to think I brought this up because I have had bad personal experiences or something of the sort.   WE ALL HAVE!!  I KNOW THAT!!!  I'm not upset with dishonorable players because it effects ME, I'm upset for what it does to THE ENTIRE SPORT!!!  I don't care if anyone ever calls a hit on a bb I fired ever again; but if you LOVE the sport, you'd THINK guys may wanna improve it.  

I'm constantly baffled how airsofters are so content to merely exist.  (btw NYGHT, I'm not pointing at you buddy, I'm just ranting now!)  why is everyone so content with rules that don't work well, respawns that don't work well, and many other areas that Could easily be improved?  I
Just don't get it!  
 
You'd THINK that a game where guys are asked to rely on their imagination, that we wouldn't have so
Many closed-minded people!  Man!  I give up!!

I came up with another terrible idea last night:   In games where medics are used, let the medics be "neutral", unarmed, REFS That hold no allegiance to the team that they are medics for.  That way, the refs won't be "sitting out" a game, they'll feel more involved, and they'll be right there in the action to ref the hit calls!  See, in my twisted mind, THATS a good idea, but apparently, I'm am idiot.  

Let's just forget I ever brought this up.  Asyouwere....

[cloakndagger]

...... i thought this debate was going well....
on another note i tried out some verdict marking ammo last night, it has its pros and cons, cons being it marks evrything including the inside of your gun and by 500 shots the buildup eliminates the function of your hopup.. so the verdict is, good idea but not  ready for the field yet... on a side though they work realy well in moscart grenades..

[BARRICADE]

  ALSO AMP up the FPS/Joules of the gun to make it bite a bit more.

again, I have a HUGE problem with this. to intentionally hurt people is not the goal of this 'GAME'.

here is how i resolve this issue.

1. If I have an issue with people not calling hits, let the game admin/field ref/field owner know. If you can identify the offender, even better.
2. IF I get a hot head b/c of it, walk back to the safe zone and cool down.
3. If this does not cool me down, its time to go home.

While its hard with the amount of money we put into this game, The one thing we need to remember is ITS A FRUITING GAME. BASED ON HONOR.

you can not make someone else be honorable. Only you can decide if YOU will be. 
at some point, we all accidently miss a hit. does it make us dishonorable? no.

So call your hits, report those that you think are not, and be SAFE.

upping the fps/ lowering the med is only going to get people hurt and help those that want to kill our sport.

I came up with another terrible idea last night:   In games where medics are used, let the medics be "neutral", unarmed, REFS That hold no allegiance to the team that they are medics for.  That way, the refs won't be "sitting out" a game, they'll feel more involved, and they'll be right there in the action to ref the hit calls!  See, in my twisted mind, THATS a good idea, but apparently, I'm am idiot.  

Let's just forget I ever brought this up.  Asyouwere....

Actually CREEPER I think that is a FRUITING Good IDEA!!!!  It allows the "REF" to be part of the game and be all in the action!  I think this is a GREAT thing for us to try!

[CREEPER™]

NO BARRICADE!! please don't like my idea!  They're gonna think you're an idiot, too!

[cloakndagger]

Id like to see the medic idea in use, it wasnt that long ago that medics were immune during warfare (relatively, think wwI) but i also like dropdead respawn.. actualy.. i dont think pve found a medic respawn idea i didnt like, each one has a different strategy which adds to creativity.

[nyghtbringer]

@cloak. i think what your thinking of in regards to medics / WWI is one of the geneva conventions.

"In 1864 governments were invited to send representatives to a diplomatic conference. As a result 12 European nations signed a treaty stating that in future wars they would care for all sick and wounded military personnel, regardless of nationality. They would also recognise the neutrality of medical personnel, hospitals and ambulances identified by the emblem of a red cross on a white background.
The treaty was called the Geneva Convention. This Convention was concerned only with soldiers wounded on the battlefield. Over the years, however, it has been expanded to cover everyone caught up in conflicts but not actually taking an active part in the fighting.."

@creeper. no hard feelings.  I agree that hit calling IS  an issue.  but unfortunatly unless we switch to paintball, there is no way IMO to MAKE people call thier hits. I understand that peeps not calling hits is going to happen. whether they dont hear/feel the bb or just aren't paying attention. I dont mind the OCCASIONAL not calling.

Its when i unload full auto while they are running at me and i see every shot hit them that i get upset. thats when i call myself dead, and respawn or take a lunch break.
 

[SASQUATCH]

SKY!! "Did you say scott?" for all those who were at new hope.